Dr Ervin Laszlo
Following The New Paradigm
By Mirela Sula
When I met Ervin for the first time, I remember that I was very nervous. I had read a lot about him, including his huge number of books and for me it was one of the biggest meetings in my life. I was going to meet one of the greatest philosophers of our time. At that stage I didn’t know how much this influential man was going to impact on my life forever. The meeting with him and his amazing wife Carita has in fact totally changed my life.
After spending one exclusive week in their villa in Tuscany I was not the same person any more. That was the beginning of my new journey in the search of the New Paradigm, which followed with the Global Woman Summit only one year later. And 2017 will get off to a great start in January with a trip to California, to be a part of the film/movie dedicated to Ervin and his Nobel Peace Prize nominated work for humanity. This exclusive interview with him will reveal more.
You are one of the greatest philosophers of our times and have a huge wisdom within you – how important is it for you to share this gift with the world?
I am basically an egocentric person. I ask questions that I want to have answered. If I find that the answers could help or benefit others in some ways, I want to share them. That’s my moral duty – and one that I find a great deal of satisfaction in following. I am essentially, as Aristotle said (and as we all are) a social being and my life is part of the lives of those around me.
You started your career as an artist and after achieving success in that field, you found that it was science which attracted you – how do you remember this transition from art to science and where do you think they meet?
The transition from music to science and philosophy came to me as a necessity – I didn’t real choose it. I began to be so involved with questions for which I needed to turn to science and philosophy for an answer that there just were not enough hours in the day to try to articulate a meaningful answer, and also to pursue the career of a professional concert pianist. Something had to “give” – and since for me music was first of all a source of personal satisfaction and only secondarily a means of appearing in public and being applauded, that was what I gave up – and turned full time to scientific/philosophical pursuits.
Now you are a big name with a huge contribution to the world, including your books which are translated in many languages, your academic activities and especially with the Club of Budapest – how do you feel connected with your life purpose?
I am following my life’s purpose without compromises – at least, that’s how I feel. I can only hope that it is not making life more difficult for anyone around me… it’s an all-consuming endeavour and I try to live up to it and also to love for my family and friends.
Club of Budapest started its journey 20 years ago, and in December 2016 you organised a big event, bringing together members from all corners of the globe. How can you describe this journey over twenty years and the mission that this Club is embracing for the New Paradigm?
Already twenty years ago my partners and I became aware that consciousness is the key question for us both, individually and collectively. That’s why we decided to set out writing the Manifesto on the Spirit of Planetary Consciousness – which was formally signed in October 1996 at the Academy of Sciences in Hungary. At first, people were surprised at why an organisation would deal with something as abstract and seemingly irrelevant as “planetary consciousness” but the importance and relevance of consciousness has been growing ever since, and today most people understand that what we call “planetary consciousness” could be a key to our wellbeing on this planet, and possibly even to our survival. It was not easy to pursue this task before this awareness was born – then we were too far ahead of our times. But now that the times are catching up, it is a wonderful feeling to know that we are relevant, and doing something that people understand is important, perhaps even crucial.
You are the father of two, and together with Carita you have created a beautiful family. How difficult has it been for you to be committed to your mission and still be a good father and a supportive husband?
This is what I meant before when I said that I can only hope that I am not creating difficulties or depriving the love and attention I wish to give to those around me. I have not been as attentive a husband and father as I should have been, and could have been if I did not have the heavily time- and energy-consuming commitment of trying to pursue my life’s purpose.
How would you describe the relationship you have with Carita, and how much has she helped you in your career?
These are questions that are nearly unanswerable. Words fail. She has been all along, and she still is and will ever be, everything I and anyone could ever wish for as a partner, one who is there always, who shares everything, and who just gives and gives … nothing and nobody could be more than that.
Behind every successful person is a huge amount of work and many challenges – can you share with us some of the challenges you had in your life and how you deal with them?
Perhaps the greatest challenge has been to shift my image to the world of what I am, and having people understand that I have become somebody else – not really, inside, but as far as the public persona is concerned. For example, when I shifted from the career of a concert pianist to that of an academic, most of my friends thought that this is just a temporary quirk, a kind of hobby. My life’s work and mission is to play concerts. It took many years before some of my closest friends understood that this new phase in my life is serious and enduring. There was also a more practical and immediate challenge: I began to teach philosophy in universities without ever having studied philosophy in a university – or formally studied any other topic indeed. At first I didn’t even quite know what was expected of me on a daily and practical basis. For example, when and how to give tests to my students. I would have been happier just to speak with them freely. But I had to learn the professional side of being an academic without being able to get help from anyone – after all, how does a professor of philosophy tell people that he has never “studied” philosophy in his life?
Perhaps the greatest challenge has been to shift my image to the world of what I am, and having people understand that I have become somebody else – not really, inside, but as far as the public persona is concerned.
Your latest book is called “What is Reality” where you describe the new map of cosmos and consciousness – in fact the reality that the world is facing today seems very confusing for humanity – can you share with us a part of this map?
The essential fact of the new paradigm – the key to the new understanding – is that we are not separate material beings, each locked into our own skin and at the most into our niche in society. We are intimately, intrinsically and directly connected with each other, and with the world around us. Once we understand that we are not just “me” in the world but a wider “we” then we start to act differently. Then we know that when we harm or disadvantage anyone around us, we are harming and disadvantaging ourselves. “I am the world” is not an exaggeration – I am, and so are you, and so is every one!
Another important question raised from another of your books is “What is consciousness?”. Can we have a short definition from you of what that is and means?
Here there is a key element to understand as well. Consciousness is not something created by the workings of cells in my brain, but something that the workings of the cells can pick up, receive – and transmit. We do not proceed our consciousness – we transmit the consciousness that is given in the world. The more, the clearer we transmit it, the better we are – the more we contribute to the world. Consciousness is as basic as information and energy – indeed, it is appearing in the world as informed energy. And it is far more basic than “matter” – which in the final count doesn’t even exist as such in the world.
Consciousness is not something created by the workings of cells in my brain, but something that the workings of the cells can pick up, receive – and transmit.
We are facing a big shift in human consciousness – according to this shift how are human beings changing?
When we evolve our consciousness, we evolve our being in the world. We move from self-enclosed, isolated beings into receivers and transmitters of the consciousness (which in the final count is a divine consciousness) that is intrinsic to the world. We become one with the world – that is what the Eastern spiritual traditions call “Nirvana” and enlightenment. In light of the findings coming to light in the new sciences, especially the general theory of quantum science, being “one” with the world is not an exaggeration. This is a holographic universe, where everyone and everything is one with everything and everyone else.
According to you, how do we need to prepare ourselves for life in the new consciousness?
If we understand who we “really” are, that is all the preparation we need. Because then the rest will follow. A being with a cosmic consciousness is not a being limited to his or her immediate being. And such a person does not act with the short and narrow horizons of a being with a consciousness that is only produced by his or her brain and doesn’t reach behind it, nor does it survive it. A huge difference!
In the last interview we had together you emphasised that “There is still hope for humanity”. What do you think might happen in the world over the next 10 years?
We are facing more, and major rapidly unfolding challenges than anyone would ever have thought. We are already in the midst of the basic transformation in science we call a paradigm shift, and in society a bifurcation. In such a situation we are shifted beyond what we were, into something else. New horizons open. If we perceive them, we can act on them. For me it is a great and wonderful sign, a sign of hope, that more and more people recognise that the old paradigm is receding and we are on the threshold of something new – a new world. And that the new world is ours to create. If we create it with understanding, empathy, and what today’s women and young people call “unconditional love” the new world will be bright. Not just surviving, but flourishing, for us as humans, as humankind, and as a part of the web of life that, on this planet, is a particularly open and promising part of the universe.
If we create it with understanding, empathy, and what today’s women and young people call “unconditional love” the new world will be bright.
Windsor Broadcast Productions is producing a film dedicated to your life – can you tell us about it?
I don’t really like to speak about myself. They want to create a film that recounts the story of my life, and I promised to answer questions about it, the best I can. Just like I do for you in this interview. The rest will be up to the producers to decide and to do.
How important will it be for humanity to watch this film?
If what I managed to do in my life is important for humanity, then watching a film that tells how this life unfolded up until now will be important. But this will be for everyone to decide for herself and himself.
What would be your message to the world and the audience of Global Woman?
To rejoice that you live today, in this period of unparalleled, even if in many ways unpredictable change. A period when we have the chance to create a new world because we can no longer live in the old… To be one of the architects of a new world is the greatest challenge, and also potentially the greatest joy anyone could ever imagine and wish for.